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	<title>Comments on: Kindle brings up the PDF versus print debate again</title>
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		<title>By: kjamma4</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6678</link>
		<dc:creator>kjamma4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not knowing the first thing abouy how Kindles operate, how exactly do they &quot;take&quot; it away from you?

Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not knowing the first thing abouy how Kindles operate, how exactly do they &#8220;take&#8221; it away from you?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: dar</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6624</link>
		<dc:creator>dar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it looks like there is an apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it looks like there is an apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Sugarbaker</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6612</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Sugarbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general, DRM is okay - it just keeps you from copying the DRM files you download. Copy protection for the publishers is something I can get behind. However, formats that require a continued relationship with the source (like the Amazon Kindle e-books, apparently) are the ones I&#039;d be wary of, as you never know when the source will assert its authority and change its policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general, DRM is okay &#8211; it just keeps you from copying the DRM files you download. Copy protection for the publishers is something I can get behind. However, formats that require a continued relationship with the source (like the Amazon Kindle e-books, apparently) are the ones I&#8217;d be wary of, as you never know when the source will assert its authority and change its policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Asylos</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6611</link>
		<dc:creator>Asylos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how do you know if a product has DRM before you buy it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how do you know if a product has DRM before you buy it?</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Sugarbaker</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6610</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Sugarbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, yeah, it&#039;s becoming more clear Amazon simply didn&#039;t make sure they were dealing with the company that actually holds the rights to the Orwell books. So, A+ to Amazon for quickly covering its ass legally; D- for the manner in which it was done.

Again, for DRM or any electronic product tied to its creator, this must be making e-consumers nervous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, yeah, it&#8217;s becoming more clear Amazon simply didn&#8217;t make sure they were dealing with the company that actually holds the rights to the Orwell books. So, A+ to Amazon for quickly covering its ass legally; D- for the manner in which it was done.</p>
<p>Again, for DRM or any electronic product tied to its creator, this must be making e-consumers nervous.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott R. Krol</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6609</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott R. Krol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point everyone seems to be glossing over is the fact that the books pulled were found to be illegal copies that shouldn&#039;t have been sold in the first place.  I don&#039;t think this is a sign that the Amazon e-jackboots are coming to knock down your Kindle&#039;s door.  

And yeah, I&#039;d have to say that anyone who uses a product in which the DRM is inherently tied into the parent company should probably already be aware of the possibility.  That&#039;s one of the issues a lot of folks have with services like Steam.  Sure, chances are Valve won&#039;t go belly up but if they do guess what?  Everyone is SOL with their Steam purchases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point everyone seems to be glossing over is the fact that the books pulled were found to be illegal copies that shouldn&#8217;t have been sold in the first place.  I don&#8217;t think this is a sign that the Amazon e-jackboots are coming to knock down your Kindle&#8217;s door.  </p>
<p>And yeah, I&#8217;d have to say that anyone who uses a product in which the DRM is inherently tied into the parent company should probably already be aware of the possibility.  That&#8217;s one of the issues a lot of folks have with services like Steam.  Sure, chances are Valve won&#8217;t go belly up but if they do guess what?  Everyone is SOL with their Steam purchases.</p>
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		<title>By: dar</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6608</link>
		<dc:creator>dar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I thought you guys stated that purchasers should have understood the possibility.

I think they should have, or at least had it plainly explained to them by Amazon.

or... maybe Amazon just did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I thought you guys stated that purchasers should have understood the possibility.</p>
<p>I think they should have, or at least had it plainly explained to them by Amazon.</p>
<p>or&#8230; maybe Amazon just did?</p>
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		<title>By: dar</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6607</link>
		<dc:creator>dar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terrible and deeply disturbing.

You are right, purchasers should have known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terrible and deeply disturbing.</p>
<p>You are right, purchasers should have known.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Sugarbaker</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6606</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Sugarbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Near as I can tell, there was no warning given before Amazon revoked the downloaded e-books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Near as I can tell, there was no warning given before Amazon revoked the downloaded e-books.</p>
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		<title>By: Asylos</title>
		<link>http://ogrecave.com/2009/07/17/kindle-brings-up-the-pdf-versus-print-debate-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6602</link>
		<dc:creator>Asylos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they even give any warning? I feel bad for all the people who were in the middle of a book, and now have to track down other means to finish it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they even give any warning? I feel bad for all the people who were in the middle of a book, and now have to track down other means to finish it.</p>
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