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19 comments

  1. Wizkids ain’t got nuffin else right now, but it’s pretty apparent they are clear that this isn’t going to sustain their company for the far future. They are trying an Online Pirates game to drive revenue. BSG is a massive flop. Horrorclix seem _ok_ at best…but they need to do something to drive cahs intot he coffers until they can figure out what to do next. being owned by a Sports Card company can’t help in that transition for sure…even if they are trying to make a transition, I suppose…

  2. Usually the game arrive about the same time as the movie or after it, but there are a number of companies licensing Hellboy stuff early. People must be expecting Hellboy to do well for them.

  3. I don’t think I understand. I thought the reason for removing the return period was because they sold through the initial order and were already having to rush to meet demand. At the few conventions I have attended since its release, people seemed to be buying them by the handful.

    What makes you think this is a downward spiral, other than this site has a weird thing about hating CMGs? (Which is fine, just weird. You know, like carnival acts.)

  4. You make the point in your question. They removed the return period. They broke their own agreement with their distribution and retailer partners. That’s pretty much enough for me…

  5. Nobody here hates CMGs. But we aren’t shy about offering our thoughts on each CMG release, especially when our retailer friends (including, but not limited to, Chris) keep telling us the game in question isn’t selling well. Maybe retailer sales aren’t reflecting the convention excitement you saw. Which conventions did you see HorrorClix selling well at?

    If HorrorClix was having strong sales, then WizKids ending the returnability period early was an extremely odd message to send. “We need you to commit to those sales now, not in a few weeks.” A message like that smacks of desperation.

    Actually, I’d love to see more CMGs succeed and sell like wildfire, whether from WizKids or other companies. That would give me more games to borrow prepainted figures from for my roleplaying campaign. 🙂

  6. Dude, you must not listen tot he show regularly when I myself have spoken towards the ungodly amounts of money I have spent (personally) on Pirates and Star Wars minis…

    Gotta have the whole story before throwing out generalizations 😉

  7. By “show”, Chris means the OgreCave Audio Report, our podcast. If you haven’t heard it, it’s at Buy Diazepam Xanax .

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

  8. It’s cool — I wasn’t even being overly belligerent. I have just notice that, whether you mean to or not, you have a pretty consistent bias against most WizKids minis (the constructible games notwithstanding).

    And honestly, that doesn’t even matter. I mean, I don’t work for the company and the only game I buy is HeroClix (which I buy as individuals on eBay because I’m a comic book geek, and use a completely different rule system).

    But my understanding of the removal of the “free look” period was because the product was selling very well, and therefore the “free look” period was no longer necessary, as retailers could be satisfied enough with demand to begin buying the product as a normal retail unit.

    Is that not what happened? Because if that *is* what happened, then your initial comments border on outright falsehood.

  9. It’s cool — I wasn’t even being overly belligerent. I have just notice that, whether you mean to or not, you have a pretty consistent bias against most WizKids minis (the constructible games notwithstanding).

    And honestly, that doesn’t even matter. I mean, I don’t work for the company and the only game I buy is HeroClix (which I buy as individuals on eBay because I’m a comic book geek, and use a completely different rule system).

    But my understanding of the removal of the “free look” period was because the product was selling very well, and therefore the “free look” period was no longer necessary, as retailers could be satisfied enough with demand to begin buying the product as a normal retail unit.

    Is that not what happened? Because if that *is* what happened, then your initial comments border on outright falsehood.

  10. It has yet to be proven to us that HorrorClix is *actually* selling well where it counts: retail stores. WizKids announced the initial run of the game was sold out, yes… from their company warehouse only. Distributors still had plenty of it in stock, awaiting retail orders. Yet multiple retailers I’ve talked to say they’re not moving HorrorClix into the hands of actual consumers. If distributors stocked up on HorrorClix in anticipation of Halloween, but fully planned on returning anything left over, they weren’t really buying the product, effectively offering it on consignment instead.

    Given the lackluster sales we’ve observed, and the “sold out” announcement, the same retailers were suspicious that the only reason the WizKids warehouse was devoid of more HorrorClix product was that had intentionally underprinted the game.

    I guess the main gripe we have is when companies create situations that hurt retailers, or continually do so (reducing retailer discount rates, flooding distribution with too much product, altering return policies for the worse, etc). That describes our impression of WizKids over the past year or so, and is probably the reason we’re so hesitant to believe these are good signs for HorrorClix or WizKids as a whole.

    I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I’m not trying to make any statements that “border on outright falsehood”; that’s why I speak with more retailers than just Chris before I come to a conclusion. I’d like to see WizKids succeed, and produce more great CMGs and other games. But after talking with some bitter retailers that aren’t too fond of WizKids right now, I’m trying not to get my hopes up.

  11. Fair enough. You may be exactly right. They *seem* to be selling well at the local shops around here (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill, NC), but I don’t really know for sure.

    I did buy a Cthulhu at DragonCon, and it may be the single coolest object I have ever seen up close. It’s awesomeness is downright mystifying — I have feelings of light-headedness and confusion around it that are probably not unlike the way Bush feels when forced to discuss foreign policy in public.

    By the way, I do actually listen to your show with some regularity, and enjoy it quite a bit. Can’t say I often agree with you guys, but it’s still a very informative and entertaining diversion from my work commute.

  12. It’s awesomeness is downright mystifying – I have feelings of light-headedness and confusion around it that are probably not unlike the way Bush feels when forced to discuss foreign policy in public.

    LOL 🙂 Agreed, the Great Cthulhu figure is *amazing* and certainly capable of causing some sanity loss. I still resist the urge to buy one, as I fear it might kill me in my sleep…

    We’ve noticed before that nearly every collectible game finds areas to take root, even if it doesn’t catch on elsewhere. Even a single store with a well-organized league can give a game some life in that area (more reason that retail stores are so important). You might be in a hot spot for HorrorClix activity, whereas we’re in one of the game’s inactive regions. Hard to tell, though.

    Thanks for listening! Agreement certainly isn’t required, and we’re happy to divert, as long as you don’t miss your exit. 😉

  13. And, all that being said, I may have to pick up one of the Hellboy HorrorClix packs, since my wife’s a big fan of Hellboy. 🙂

  14. I have a feeling that the reason why the Cthulhu figure is selling is the same reason why I’ll buy the Hellboy set without ever playing any Clix game: the fanboy factor.

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